Testimony continues Tuesday in Derek Chauvin trial
A woman was seen taking pictures from the 18th floor. A deputy took her phone away as a result of her actions. She claims she didn’t know that it was prohibited to take pictures.
Now hearing from a woman who identifies herself as Darnella Frazier’s media representative. Judge Cahill asks why she was taking unauthorized photographs.— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
She apologizes, tells Judge Cahill she didn’t realize it wasn’t allowed. He asks her to delete the pic & gives phone back
The court has been adjourned for the day.
The defense is now cross-examining Hansen.
His questioning is positioned around her fire department duties, not medical services. Hansen explains the difference between being an EMT and a paramedic.
Nelson asked if Hansen has ever been told she was doing her job wrong and if anyone has yelled at her while doing her job, to which she said no, and added "I’m very confident in the training that I’ve been given."
As Nelson presses, Hansen says "I would be confident in doing my job and there’s nothing anybody can say that would distract me."— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Hansen believes the response time the fire department arrived on the scene was "abnormal." She noted that Fire Station 17 is "a couple blocks away" from where the incident happened.
Nelson also discussed with Hansen NARCAN. He asked if people who come out of out an overdose can be combative, to which she said yes, but noted that isn’t always the case.
When asked about her "loud and frustrated" demeanor, she said to Nelson "I don’t know if you have ever seen anyone die in front of you but that’s what it feels like."
Judge Cahill advised Hansen to only answer questions from the attorneys and to not argue after she was seen in some disputes with Nelson. Hansen was sent home for the day and she will come back to the court on Wednesday morning.
They’re going back to the chambers to discuss something. I think they’re looking for someone who will then be escorted in…— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Not sure what’s going on… #DerekChauvinTrial
The state is asking for a new witness to take the stand, identified as Genevieve Hanson, who also provided bystander video of the incident. Frank has asked the court to show footage that she provided. The video mostly shows Thao standing in the viewpoint of Chauvin and Floyd.
This witness is the firefighter who identified herself as so at the scene. "I’m a Minneapolis first responder," she’s heard telling the officers in the video. The court also played a recording of a 911 call Hanson made reporting the officer’s actions.
Now playing audio of a 911 call made by Genevieve Hansen, a firefighter who was heard asking officers to take George Floyd’s pulse. #DerekChauvinTrial— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
She says she has been a Minneapolis firefighter for about two years. She went into detail about her EMT training to the state prosecution team. She lives in the area of 38th Street and Chicago Avenue.
"There’s a range of things that I can do … a lot of time is to assist the medics or we get there before and … we can start any basic wound managing or up to, you know, starting compressions," she said.
Hansen also discussed what she would do if she had to use CPR in her work.
Frank, "As part of this certification, you are able to do what we think of as CPR?"— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Hansen, "Right, so if we find no pulse, we would, I would ask for medical, calling 911. I would want an AED on scene and I would start compressions…"
She explains that the title of her work doesn’t state the multiple things she can do. Hansen said the majority of her calls are medical-related.
Hansen said she worked the day before the incident and decided to go for a walk on her day off. She approached the area and noticed that the fire department was responding. She noticed someone from across the street screaming "they’re killing him," and she approached the woman and asked her what was going on. Hansen says she started to ask others what was happening as well.
She later noticed a man, handcuffed, with police surrounding him while he was lying on the ground.
Hansen says she heard someone screaming "that they were killing him." Says that’s when she realized something more was going on and she asked another bystander what was going on. #ChauvinTrial pic.twitter.com/kBvGjBP1Sl— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Hansen said she recognized Chauvin from a previous call but didn’t know him personally. She clarified, saying she may have seen him from a call that happened "a day before."
"Three grown men putting all their weight on [Floyd] … it’s too much," she said. She stated that seeing the position of the officers was "concerning."
Frank, "When you saw that positioning of those officer, did that concern you?"— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Hansen, "He wasn’t moving and he was cuffed and that’s, three grown men is a lot, putting all of their weight on somebody is too much".
She was concerned for Floyd’s medical needs, stating his "face was smashed into the pavement." She also was concerned about some fluid seen coming from the area around Floyd.
"And in a lot of cases, we see a patient release their bladder when they die. I can’t tell you exactly where the fluid was coming from, but that’s where my mind went," she told Frank.
Hansen interacted with Thao, as he told her, "if you really are a Minneapolis firefighter, you would know better than to get involved," even though she was offering medical assistance to Floyd.
"Had they let me into the scene, I already decided his level of consciousness… I would have called for medical assistance," Hansen said. She said the officers prevented her from doing that at the scene. Hansen also told the officers to start chest compressions if they weren’t going to let her.
Hansen wipes away tears as she describes feeling distressed when she couldn’t help, "I was desperate to help" pic.twitter.com/XErfjXhdft— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
She says without a doubt, Floyd needed medical assistance. Hansen described her decision-making in recording a video on her phone.
"Memories of witnesses are never going to be as good as a video," she explained.
She noted she felt helpless that night of the incident.
"There was a man being killed. Had I had access to a call similar to that, I would’ve been able to provide medical attention to the best of my abilities and this human was denied that right," Hansen stated.
The court is in recess.
They’re taking another break before the state calls its next witness to the stand. #DerekChauvinTrial— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
The next witness is also a juvenile, who says she is 17 and lives in St. Paul. She said she used to live in Minneapolis. She is friends with Alyssa, the previous witness.
She and Alyssa were going to Cup Foods to get snacks and an auxiliary cord. She told the court she and her friend were in court on Tuesday "for George Floyd."
The witness says she heard Floyd calling out for his mom. Her friend, Alyssa, borrowed her phone to record the scene. She stayed in the car while her friend did that.
This witness stayed in the car for a bit, telling Eldridge, "I heard George Floyd yelling still, saying he can’t breathe and then I heard witnesses that were there saying he was unresponsive", says got out of the car when voices were getting louder.— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
"I saw [Chauvin] digging his knee into [Floyd’s] neck more," the witness said, stating that it was more pressure than needed.
She told the state she saw Thao push a witness back onto the sidewalk, despite not seeing any bystander get physical at the scene.
The witness tells the court she had "a gut feeling" that Floyd may die when paramedics arrived.
Witness says she saw the paramedic "signal" Derek Chauvin to get up off of George Floyd. #DerekChauvinTrial— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
The witness is dismissed without questions from the defense.
The final witness of the day will take the stand after a short recess.
Defense attorney Eric Nelson cross-examines the witness, identified as Alyssa in court.
Nelson: Would you disagree with me if I told you, you said, I even saw them check his pulse multiple times before the ambulance got there.— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Witness: I would not agree with that.
Nelson: You would not agree with that.
Witness: Yeah, because I don’t remember. #ChauvinTrial
Nelson slid the transcript under the plexiglass for the witness to read. This is a transcript of her interview with BCA agents. #DerekChauvinTrial— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
State, "Were you upset about what was going on in front of you?"— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
State, "Did you attack anybody?"
State, "Threaten officers in any way?"
The court has reconvened after a lunch/recess break. The next person to be questioned has been identified as Witness 6. She says she is from the area where Cup Foods is and is currently in the 12th-grade.
She was at the scene on May 25, 2020, because she went to Cup Foods to buy an auxiliary cord for her grandfather’s car. The girl was looking for somewhere to park when she saw the Minneapolis police squad car.
"Right before I walked [into Cup Foods], I saw there were four police officers and George [Floyd] outside," she said, noting she learned his name later. She went on to describe how Floyd couldn’t breathe, hearing him say his stomach hurt and that he wanted his mother.
She says she started to record the incident on her phone because she "knew something was wrong." She adds it was difficult to watch as a bystander, feeling like she was "failing." The young woman showed emotion when reflecting on the incident.
This witness describes feeling like there was nothing they could do.— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
“Technically I could’ve done something but I couldn’t do physically what I wanted to do”
She told the court she did not see anyone give CPR to Floyd or any medical attention.
"The police officers didn’t move and Chauvin kept his knee on [Floyd’s] neck the entire time even when a paramedic checked for a pulse," she said.
The witness says she used to go to school with Frazier, who said hello to her at the scene. However, she told state prosecutors that she did not intend to meet Frazier there at the scene.
The state presented another angle from this witness’s cellphone video to the court. The witness was asked why he was filming from a distance.
"I wasn’t really sure what was happening at first. I didn’t want to get too close … there was just a lot of police officers and it kind of felt tense," she replied.
State, "Why was it that you started filming sort of at a distance?"— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Witness, "I wasn’t really sure what was happening at first, I didn’t want to get too close … there was just a lot of police officers and it kind of felt tense."
Side by side of surveillance/her video: pic.twitter.com/8tOtFRjRaP
The witness eventually moved closer with her video. She said in the video, "he’s about to knock out" to police. She stated that because she said she could "see how he was going unconscious."
She said she "kind of knew" when Floyd had died at a certain point. She told state prosecutors that Floyd appeared dead when he was put into the ambulance.
The witness said she has yet to return to that area of south Minneapolis because she "doesn’t want to be reminded."
The court is in recess until 1:15 p.m.
The next witness takes the stand. They are again not being shown on video and only identified by first name in court. This witness is in the third-grade and nine years old. She is the cousin of Frazier, who was at the scene that day of the incident.
Next witness is up. Again, not being shown on video and only identified by first name in court. I won’t use their name if they are still underage.— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Blackwell is taking the witness step by step, asking basic questions about May 25, 2020. Then asks her to identify if Derek Chauvin is the same man in the picture. #DerekChauvinTrial pic.twitter.com/PsY6XbSdPC— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
She said she felt "sad and mad" about what happened. She has been excused from the stand without the defense asking any questions.
The court is back from a short recess. Questioning resumes with Frazier.
She testified that the responding paramedic had to tell Chauvin to get off Floyd.
After the state finished questioning, Nelson took over for the defense. He points out that she did not know what happened before she arrived in the area. She noted to the defense that when she was filming, she only saw Chauvin and Thao. She did not noticed or hear the two other officers at the scene.
Frazier said Tou said out loud, "you can breathe if you can talk."
She says recording that video changed her life.
"When I look at Floyd, I look at… my dad, I look at my brothers… because they are all Black," she told Blackwell. She went on to say she stayed up many nights apologizing for not doing more on May 25, 2020. She added that it seemed Floyd "knew it was over for him."
She told the court that some nights in that area of south Minneapolis can be a little more dangerous in terms of crime, but said it’s "not every night."
The witness has been excused from the stand.
A new witness takes the stand. She identifies herself as 18-year-old Darnella Frazier, who shot the viral bystander video.
She tells the court she wanted her cousin to go into Cup Foods so she wouldn’t have to see what was happening to Floyd. They were going to the store to get snacks that day.
As she identified Chauvin in the courtroom, her voice sounded shaky. The court ruled Tuesday morning that she and other witnesses who were minors at the time of the incident will not be shown on camera. The audio of their testimony is broadcasted, however.
When asked by state prosecutor Jerry Blackwell if the crowd of people can be considered as an "unruly mob," she disagreed, saying "I would say everyone were reacting in multiple different ways."
She told Blackwell that no bystander ever threatened police at the scene. She felt threatened when Chauvin reached for his pepper spray. She described the scene and what things Floyd was saying as he was being restrained by police.
The court is now in recess until 11:15 a.m.
Williams retakes the stand to begin Tuesday’s cross-examination. Assistant Attorney General Matthew Frank starts the questioning.
Frank asked Williams if he heard any bystander threaten the safety of the officers while on scene. He said no, but did tell someone to go back into the store when things started to become more "heated." Williams said he was scared for his safety and the people around him.
He also felt Chauvin had "no feeling, no remorse, no response" when dealing with the situation. He told the state prosecution team that he never saw Chauvin take his knee off Floyd’s neck, even when an ambulance arrived at the scene. Williams says he stayed at the scene after the ambulance left, saying he was "very lost in the moment."
The witness said he called the police on the police because he believed he "witnessed a murder."
Frank played Exhibit 20, which is the phone call made by Williams. He showed some emotion while the call was played in the court.
He noted he felt threatened when he called 911 by Thao, who was standing with his body camera positioned close to his face.
The defense takes over questioning. Nelson starts his cross-examination by asking Williams about "flow wrestling" and his experience with the sport. The defense described it as a sport, and Williams corrected, saying "it’s a lifestyle." Nelson also asked more questions about Williams’s background in martial arts. Williams confirmed to Nelson there are multiple styles of chokeholds.
Williams talks about his fighting background, saying he has studied several disciplines, including Muay Thai, jiu-jitsu, boxing and wrestling.
The defense is asking extensive questioning on Williams’s background in fighting, something Nelson struck a would-be juror in the jury-selection process.
Williams has both amateur and professional fighting experience.— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Williams confirms he worked on choke holds in practice.
Nelson asking him about air choke and blood choke holds.
Nelson and Williams discussed the difference between an air chokehold and a blood chokehold.
"You can go unconscious in a blood choke[hold] within seconds," Williams told Nelson.
The witness stated it’s possible for someone who is rendered unconscious to come back to consciousness and fight. He said it has happened to him before when fighting in a competition. Nelson also asked about his duties in controlling a large crowd when working as a security guard and if he had ever been afraid before. He answered "yes."
Nelson asks stern questions about what Williams said in the bystander video, saying Williams called him multiple names.
Nelson asking Williams about name-calling of officer on the scene.— Callan Gray (@CallanGrayNews) March 30, 2021
Nelson, “You called him a tough guy.. you called him a bum at least 13 times.”
Williams confirms he did.
Nelson kept trying to get Williams to admit he was an angry man during the incident, to which Williams would not admit to. Williams said he was "professionally within" himself.
Nelson is pressing Williams about whether he continued to engage the officers.— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Nelson: And it was over and over and over and over again, right?
Williams: Because I wasn’t being heard.
Nelson: It’s a yes or no question, sir….
Williams: Yes, because I wasn’t being heard.
Williams told the court from what he saw Chauvin doing, it was a blood chokehold in his eyes. When asked about how he would control a crowd situation, Williams referred to his experience as a security guard and said he tries to be "humane" and deescalate a situation.
Williams said he was concerned that Floyd would lose his life.
Nelson asks again and Williams says no.— Ana Lastra (@AnaViLastra) March 30, 2021
Frank is back on.